DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano said that the thwarting of the attempt to blow up the Amsterdam-Detroit flight this week demonstrated that "the system worked."
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Napolitano "It was just one individual". WTF!
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Observer, you are too generous.
Another stellar moment for the Obama administration.
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Beginning with her embrace of the impotent euphemism "man-caused disasters" to the hit job on conservatives and veterans that she was forced to apologize for, to her assertion that crossing the border illegally "isn't a crime per se", to her boneheaded claim that 9/11 terrorists came in through the Canadian border, Ja-No has confirmed time and again that she's not ready for prime time.
Clown alert: Janet Napolitano says the "system worked"
I agree.
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Maybe we are wrong to think that the "system" is supposed to keep terrorists off planes???
Napolitano is just another administration member that needs fired.
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Yeah, what system worked? The fact that some brave people got involved, risked their own lives to bring down this scum?
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You all obviously do not understand the context of the statement "The system worked..." as she was referring to the system measures that are in place to handle such an event, such as raising the alert level, warning all flights in the air, and individuals taking action on their own accord.
Shut down your bias for a few minutes and listen to the complete interview.
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Which system, the Dad calling to warn us, the idiot getting his visa, the idiot on the list (but not bad enough to ban him from coming), or the system of detecting his package in his crotch, the system...........of looking the other way? Yeah, that one worked, again.
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USA 1-1003451 & VIVA-796465 - Perhaps we should take comfort in Janet's apparent comfort. Afterall, it was just one guy.
And yes VIVA, those passengers were indeed brave. Jasper Schuringa is a true hero.
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Brandon T David -
"The system worked..." as she was referring to the system measures that are in place to handle such an event, such as raising the alert level, warning all flights in the air, and individuals taking action on their own accord.
Then Thank God there were "individuals taking action on their own accord". As all possible checks and balances that should have stopped this individual from boarding the aircraft failed miserably.
It was 60 to 90 minutes after all the passengers were safe that "system measures that are in place to handle such an event, such as raising the alert level, warning all flights in the air" were in effect.
Seems a little ass backwards.
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Obama and his administration's incompetence on full display for all to see...and where is Barry now, on vacation of course, remember all the Kool Aide drinkers complaining about Bush being on vacation...wonder what they have to say about their "Dear Leader" staying in Hawaii and playing golf while this has been unfolding.
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Funny...all that post 9/11 hysteria - the Patriot Act, the new rules implemented some years back about not bringing liquids and powders onto planes...and they didn't work.
We are no safer WITH the patriot Act and Dept. of Homeland Security than we were without. At least without it, we save a lot of taxes.
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Where the heck were the air marshalls that are suppose to be on flights protecting passengers?
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Hi Andy. I agree with your comment. I am most surprised that Obama hasn't taken the time to make at least a brief statement. I wondered what he would deem important enough to break from vacation for an hour.
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Funny...all that post 9/11 hysteria - the Patriot Act, the new rules implemented some years back about not bringing liquids and powders onto planes...and they didn't work.
No...what's sad is how Obama's State and Homeland security departments completely dropping the ball on this. Abdulmutallab, was on a terrorist watch list for suspected ties to Al Qaeda, yet even after his own father, a prominent Nigerian warned our embassy, he was still able to keep the visa that was issued and not put on the no fly list, he also purchased a one way ticket CASH...no red flags there.
boons- the safeguards of the Patriot act will never protect us, if the people responsible for carrying them out have their eye's and ears closed and their head up their A$$!
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Which system are we discussing again? Is it the one where screening fails and the passengers are forced to respond? Or the one where they plane crashes in the middle of a field somewhere? Or is there a new one we haven't heard of yet?
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Since this administration took over, we have had, count them, 3 or 4 terrorists attacks on American soil and this administration still does not treat them as enemy combatants but rather just criminals. Go figure what they are really up too.
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"boons- the safeguards of the Patriot act will never protect us, if the people responsible for carrying them out have their eye's and ears closed and their head up their A$$!"
It didn't work for Richard Reid, either...and that wasn't on Obama's watch. Face it...all this bullsh*t is designed to do is curtail Americans' rights, not stop terrorism. Tell me how color codes have saved your life? Silly arsed garbage, that's all it is.
My mother in law wasn't allowed on a plane with hairspray b/c "it's too much and could be an explosive". When she went to throw it into the garbage can next to the agent, the agent said "no, don't waste it. I'll take it home with me". If she REALLY thought it was an explosive she wouldn't bring it home with her. Seriously, it's all a joke. A big joke.
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It didn't work for Richard Reid, either...and that wasn't on Obama's watch. Face it...all this bullsh*t is designed to do is curtail Americans' rights, not stop terrorism. Tell me how color codes have saved your life? Silly arsed garbage, that's all it is.
Did Reid's father call the US Embassy warning them about his son?
dar-please delete my post 20
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I guess Napolitano and DHS were too busy running surveillance on returning US soldiers to notice a dirty muslim terrorist. And where the heck is obama? Oh yeah, lying on the beach. Guess he's just gonna let the cops handle this.
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Good point Tango...returning US soldiers are the real threat to our security, lets not forget the CIA agents who waterboarded poor KSM as well.
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tango & Andy. You guys hit the nail on the head. Napolitano is looking in all the wrong places and pointing fingers at those who serve to protect us. This administration has its damn head in the sand. I honestly believe that Obama thought after his Cairo speech all the bad little terrorists would just go away. When will this man realize there are indeed those who care about nothing else but destroying us. You cannot reason with anybody who is willing to friggin blow themselves up.
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His visa was issued in 2008, during the adminstration that kept us safe. except for the 3000 killed in the attack that the Bush Administration was warned about and the 4000 killed by terrorists in Iraq after the illegal and unnecesarry invasion. Of course, however, the fact that this jackass was able to make it through NIGERIAN and DUTCH airport security is the fault of Obama.
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His visa was issued in 2008, during the adminstration that kept us safe.
And he was allowed to keep that visa, get on a plane and enter the country after his father warned our embassy of his radical Islamic beliefs by the administration who is not keeping us safe.
No different than the warnings they ignored with the Ft Hood Islamic terrorist.
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You all obviously do not understand the context of the statement "The system worked..."
Brandon,
On Dec 22, Newsvine member BTCO posted an article from the Huff Post "Most Outrageous comments of 2009", I'm happy to inform you that you have made the list, and just in time, at that.
My comment on that thread, in part was; "Arianna Huffington is often a good source for Radical Left Wing insanity, but the Left, for some reason, is just not as prolific as the Right, when it comes to making stupid comments."
Well, you obviously just contributed to the list of rare Left Wing "Stupid Comments".
Read what your fellow Viners are trying to tell you Brandon! If the system worked, the a$$hole would not have been on the plane!
The only thing that "worked", was providence ........ the bomb didn't go off!
I think we all fail to realize just how lucky we are, not just the people on the plane, but the whole country.
If that bomb had worked and all the people on that flight 253 had been killed, on Christmas Day, while Obama was up on the beach in Hawaii, it could have marked the end of his administration. All we would hear about for the next 3 years, is how we had no terror attacks on this soil since 9/11, an how George Bush kept us safe, and how Obama blew it.
IMO, Obama has no choice but to fire her. I'm an Obama fan, but if the safety and security of this country is in the hands of Janet Napolitano.........., we're doomed.
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Andy: Who are they? He boarded in NIGERIA. He changed planes in the NETHERLANDS. In you obsession with blaming this president for anything bad that happens you ignore facts. You are pathetic.
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It was just one individual. What evidence is there that there were others involved in this attack or in other attackes coordinated for the same day? That is what she was referring to. She also acknowledged that he was affiiliated with Al Quaeda. What mental illness requires that you people have to blame Obama for everything bad that happens. You will grasp at any straw to make this President fit your deluded view of him. Get a grip.
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Let me repeat a comment I made on another thread.
As an independent thinker, I am completely amused by the whining of Obama's backers. For 8 years, the left pommelled Bush while the right whined. Now, the right is pommelling Obama and the left is whining. Same old show, just a reversal of positions. People who can't take it shouldn't dish it out.
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sean-4
What mental illness requires that you people have to blame Obama for everything bad that happens.
What mental illness requires you not to blame him for anything.
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Explain how this could possibly be his fault to any degree. What is painful is the twisting of the facts that those who hate this President and the majority who elected him will do to try to destroy him and harm the country in the process.
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Of course, you're correct. It's way over the top. However, did you make the same arguments when treatment of Bush was even worse? The divide and hatred in this country is the one thing that will really destroy us. It comes from both sides equally. There is no hope until we all see it.
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Explain how this could possibly be his fault to any degree
Explain how it could not. Obama has been the President for nearly a year now. Explain to me how he and his appointees should not exact some degree of blame. But of course, you cannot.
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Sean, I respectfully submit that not everyone thinks that everything is the presidents fault. HOWEVER, I do believe that people are disgusted and fed up with his arrogance and the fact that he ACTS like he is the savior. I for one am really tired of not being able to look at an interview with the man where he doesn't begin an answer to a posed question with a condescending "look" or "let me be perfectly clear". The man TALKED like he could walk on water but is CLEARLY in over his head.
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He boarded in NIGERIA. He changed planes in the NETHERLANDS. In you obsession with blaming this president for anything bad that happens you ignore facts. You are pathetic.
And he wouldn't have been allowed to board the US bound plane in the Netherlands if his visa was revoked and put on the no fly list after his father alerted officials at our embassy in Nigeria of his sons radical Islamic beliefs last month...those are the facts and what's pathetic Sean is your inability to accept them.
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I raised my eyebrows when I listened Mrs. Napolitano to say that the system worked.
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I raised my eyebrows when I listened Mrs. Napolitano to say that the system worked.
Maybe Napolitano was confused and was referring to the system in the UK that barred Abdulmutallab from entering their country earlier this year.
The son of a prominent Nigerian banker, who allegedly attempted to blow up a transatlantic flight over America, was barred from returning to Britain earlier this year.
Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, 23, graduated from a university in London last year but his visa request was refused in May when he attempted to apply for a new course at a bogus college.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6968718.ece
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The problem in my opinion is the “profile” is outdated or we are reading more into this than is actually there. I tend to believe the latter.
Place this incident up against that of the 3 doctors in Scotland a few years ago who tried to firebomb the airport there, then we see some similarities. The doctors did not have a motive either, other than the fact they were Muslim, which really is not a motive.
In the 70’s and 80’s, separatist would highjack a plane, or plant a bomb in an effort to draw attention to themselves, or to gain some sort of leverage in an effort to affect the cause like prisoner release, gain money, or escape prosecution.
Those were deliberate acts of terrorism in the since that the events they created or caused maximized terror, as they were designed to do, not necessarily pointlessly kill people, which would not help advance their cause or promote their goal of prisoner release etc… The act was simply used to create a bargaining position, not to kill for the sake of killing people. Almost in all cases of bombings, the act was preceded by some type of warning, or opening of dialog with the authorities with an opportunity to avert calamity if the authorities gave the terrorists what they wanted.
How the profile has changed today is the fact no one seems to be interested in bargaining for anything. It seems the only goal is to blend into the crowd as unassuming as possible, then blow one’s self up, without warning, stated goal, or opportunity to bargain. Why? What is the point of doing this? Where is the benefit?
The fact of the matter is, some people are just nuts. They loosely attach themselves to various fringe groups or cause, religious or otherwise, but they really don’t care about them despite what they say. They feel worthless and they want to die, and in a desperate attempt to add some value to their effort, they believe if kill others in the process, someone will benefit, in this case Al-Qaida, who probably has never heard of this guy, but will take credit for it anyway.
What concerns me in this case is the fact that the parents has alerted DOH about him and for whatever reason, the ball was dropped. I am wondering if the fact is, DOH did look into him and determined he was simply a “Nut” not necessarily a terrorist or a member of an actual cell with serious minded operatives who know what they are doing. An Al-Qaida Groupie if you will, but not necessarily in the “band” so to speak.
Obviously, based on the fact this guy did not mix the chemicals properly to get them to exploded would suggest he was not as connected to al-Qaida the press tends to speculate.
That would explain why he was able to get on the plane. Being seasonable about this, it is not like Al-Qaida hands out official membership cards signed by Osama bin Laden.
From the safety in commerce prospective, what are the authorities really supposed to do? Lockup everyone that might be an operative? That would be counterproductive and benefit Al-Qaida more than aide public safety.
The reasonable assumption here is in the conclusion of the incident. The guy is a nut, and the public acted in a reasonable manner to preserve the peace and safety of the plane. The system worked, more or less and to say otherwise, would be more of benefit to Al-Qaida than the people who actually stopped him for killing people.
I think we should just accept the fact he is a homicidal nut, who intended to commit suicide and it is simple as that.
This being said, I would say we should pay much more attention to the passengers and crew of the plane who kept the situation under control, to their and our benefit, the system worked so to speak because no one died.
I think the guy is a nut who just wanted to commit suicide and take as many people with him as possible. Obviously, he was not a real Al-Qaida operative because he was not capable of mixing the chemicals properly, nor did he act in any kind of coordinated effort, as Al-Qaida normally does. It seems to me TSA is playing right into the hands of terrorism, by reacting as they are, while the real story is the fact that the passengers and crew kept the situation under control and nobody died. Someone needs to start giving credit where credit is due because DOH nor TSA can screen out every single nut and social misfit in the world. On the other hand, what should be said is good job to the all the passengers and crew for not losing it in the face of a potential calamity.
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Right. The President is made aware every day of every contact with every embassy that suggests someone might have radical beliefs. Obama should have been on the plane to Nigeria to personally arrest this man. He is obviously unfit to serve as President. It is so tiring to argue with people who have no touch with reality and whose hatred of this man drains them of all common sense.
Sean, that is so silly, it is not even worth a response. None the less, here we are. The fact of the matter is, "The world is dangerous, always has been, always will be." Every time you leave your house, you could get, mugged, run over, or just simply killed standing on the street. Or not, if you take responsibility for yourself, and the people around you. That is what makes Americans, simply American.
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Explain how this could possibly be his (Obama's) fault to any degree.
I was just a youngster when Harry S. Truman coined the phrase "The Buck Stops Here".
Janet Napolitano's system did not work or that a$$hole would not have been on the plane. He was on a list, but when his own father reported to a U.S Embassy, that his son was going to "try something", the guy should have been put on the "no fly list".
We have a National Security Administration Secretary, a Cabinet level position. Barack Obama, who I support, appointed Janet Napolitano to that post.
A potential bomber, almost blew up a passenger airliner over an American city, Napolitano does not have her Administration operating at a level capable of preventing that near disaster.
Harry Truman is long gone, but the Buck still stops at the desk in the oval office.
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Napolitano:
the whole process of making sure that we respond properly correctly and effectively went very smoothly.
Agreed. Seed over.
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the whole process of making sure that we respond properly correctly and effectively went very smoothly.
Oh, okay, THAT part went fine. Sweet, now, maybe we should think about, I dunno, prevention comes to mind.
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Take off the blinders and hear what you all are saying.
The only way to stop a single person form doing harm to anyone is to police everyone.
This is America, and that is the price we have to pay for a free society. Every once in awhile someone hell bent on killing someone is going to do it. Yes it sucks, and yes people will die, but what else can you do. People die everyday in acts of violence in the streets, cities and neighborhoods that you live in. Are you calling for the lock down of your city? How about we start filling our prisons with anyone who owns a weapon of any kind? That includes a kitchen knife, fire cracker, or ball point pen.
We could add anyone who has ever talked bad about the US to a watch list, but that would add about 3 Billion names, and quite a few from this website alone. You could wait 5 days to get into an airport, be stopped at every intersection, or strip searched while you are shopping. We would then have to double our spending on defense. Open prisons, but not in the US because terrorists behind bars on US soil is bad. Close down all schools because they are a cesspool for free thought. Is that what you want for our country?
Or How about we just add everybody that is not an American citizen to that list. Wait that wouldn't work either as Major Nadal Hasan wouldn't be on that list. So anybody who is not christian US citizen will be on that list. Whoops, that doesn't work either.
Ok, all 6 Billion+ names on the list. "War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength!"
I will not give up my freedoms because of one nutcase from Nigeria.
Stop blaming the system. Stop blaming the left and the right. If you want to blame someone for this mess, blame the man who did it.
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Success??? The system worked???Now we define it by failed attempts? That's scary.
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Or How about we just add everybody that is not an American citizen to that list.
Or how about we just pay attention to obvious red flags like Major Nadal Hasan being an Al Qaeda sympathiser who voiced his support of the global jihad, or Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab father warning US officials of his radical views.
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The System worked perfectly. We got him before he left the plane.....
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Ramped up US airport security deepens holiday travel misery
WASHINGTON (AFP) – Beleaguered US air passengers faced a slew of new travel woes Sunday, as ramped up airport security following a thwarted Christmas Day terror attack compounded delays from back-to-back record-setting snowstorms.
Air travelers were told Sunday to check in four hours ahead of their scheduled departure times, while bomb-sniffing dogs were visible at airports across the country, US media reported, after a Nigerian man with possible ties to radical Islam was charged with attempting to blow up an airliner on final approach to Detroit Friday.
Once on board their flights, many passengers were told they would be unable to hold coats or blankets in their laps and would not be allowed to enter aircraft restrooms for the last hour of their flights, reports said.
Passengers also reportedly are being told to expect additional airport pat-downs and gate security checks.
The new measures follow the botched Christmas Day attack by terror suspect Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, accused of trying to bring down a Northwest Airlines flight with 290 people on board by detonating explosive material sewn into his underwear.
NO Janet in asymmetric warfare One disrupts the many until the system ceases to functions!!
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Every once in awhile someone hell bent on killing someone is going to do it. Yes it sucks, and yes people will die, but what else can you do.
You have to be kidding! We have spent billions of dollars beefing up the security for planes bound for U.S. airports in order to make air travel safer. Napolitano obviously does not have the NSA operational procedures up to par.
Are you calling for the lock down of your city?
Of course not! That is an irrational and radical comment. You obviously don't understand the comment, "The system worked", doesn't cut it.
If the system worked, the guy would not have been on the plane. There is a list of about 400,000 people worldwide that are on a "watch" list, Umer is on that list. . Also, there are about 50,000 people on a "no fly" list.
Three weeks ago Umer's father notified the U.S. Embassy in Yemen, that he feared his son was going to commit an act of terror, however he was not moved to the No Fly list as he should have been. ie; Failed system.
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Correction: Napolitano is in charge of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) not the National Security Agency (NSA). My apologies.
However, the Secretary of DHS is a Cabinet level position.
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Citizen, you are correct. It worked because the suspect did not get off the plane. I am dismayed at why though our embassy did not give merit to the concerns his own father brought forward.
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i knew this kind of thing would happen under this "watch" and it will happen more and more. get ready cause here it comes.
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Yeah, cause he's a puppet...............just wave and smile. Then bow and apologize, big cream puff.
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What I see is a government agency that lets a known person of interest on a terrorist watch list board an airplane carrying explosive material with the intent to blow it up, while simultaneously the world watches as Ivana Trump is scrutinized and booted from a plane for demanding that a mother police her child. Am I the only one who is a little curious as to WTF is going on these days???
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marty in turkey - You are right. If red flags like these are ignored, again.
More Questions on Why Terror Suspect Was Not Stopped
Excerpt from the NYTimes article:
WASHINGTON When a prominent Nigerian banker and former government official phoned the American Embassy in Abuja in October with a warning that his son had developed radical views, had disappeared and might have traveled to Yemen, embassy officials did not revoke the young man's visa to enter the United States, which was good until June 2010.
Instead, officials said Sunday, they marked the file of the son, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, for a full investigation should he ever reapply for a visa. And when they passed the information on to Washington, Mr. Abdulmutallab's name was added to 550,000 others with some alleged terrorist connections but not to the no-fly list. That meant no flags were raised when he used cash to buy a ticket to the United States and boarded a plane, checking no bags.
When you put the pieces together this man should have been stopped. A warning from an intimate family member, the father, the fact he purchased one way ticket with cash and carried no luggage for a transcontinental flight. Somewhere along the line there was a near fatal mistake.
To me, the actions of the father should have been enough to revoke his Visa until further investigation.
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he was let on the plane without a passport!! WTF is that?? i cant get on a plane to the US without a passport and i am an american citizen.
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And it gets better.
Airplane bomb plot on Christmas Day exposes air security weaknesses
Excerpt from the Seattletimes:
The explosive allegedly used in the failed bombing plot aboard a Detroit-bound trans-Atlantic jetliner on Christmas Day could have been detected by existing screening equipment, and the failure to do so reflects significant weaknesses in aviation security and intelligence, former U.S. government officials and international security experts said.
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If, for a moment, we take her at her word, then the ability for a reported person of questionable motive to board a plane with a destructive device with the intent (albeit thankfully lacking the competence) to use said device to end the lives of the other passengers on that plane while in US air space, and the lives of those who are in the debris path on the ground, must be the system to which she is referring.
Perhaps this administrations policies need to be viewed from a different perspective in order to see how valuable they are to us?
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Success??? The system worked???Now we define it by failed attempts? That's scary.
Obama is the country's first affirmative action President and administration Nicole...the bar for what is deemed to be a success, is going to have to be lowered considerably.
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Well, if "the system" is relying on individuals to protect themselves, it did work. [sarcasm]
Quite honestly, I don't know that any government can 100% protect people although they continue to pretend to be able to. I think that as usual it will be the vigilance of individuals that will protect us better than any beauracracy.
However, having said that I agree that this comment rises to the level of "Heckuva job, Brownie" and "Mission Accomplished" on the stupid meter.
good at least now you see the needle of stupidity moves left and right............
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"The system worked"
The bomb didn't. There but for the grace of God, goes all the passengers and Janet Napolitano.
A mystifying statement to be sure, but how can anyone cast any blame for this failed attempt towards president Obama?
It's not like someone tipped off Hillary Clinton ( Rice ) with a handwritten note, or someone had warned the administration that this terrorist planned on using a passenger jet to attack the U.S. months beforehand, is it?
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A mystifying statement to be sure, but how can anyone cast any blame for this failed attempt towards president Obama?
And who appointed Janet Incompatano?
It's not like someone tipped off Hillary Clinton ( Rice ) with a handwritten note, or someone had warned the administration that this terrorist planned on using a passenger jet to attack the U.S. months beforehand, is it?
No...the terrorist's father went to the US embassy in person to warn them about his son.
WASHINGTON - U.S. government officials tell The Associated Press that the Nigerian man charged with trying to destroy a jetliner came to the attention of U.S. intelligence in November when his father went to the U.S. embassy in Abuja, Nigeria, to express his concerns about his son.
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I wonder if a Bush appointee runs that embassy?
Time will tell, and like all the other right wing "Swift boat" attacks, I look for the Obama administration to be innocent of all charges of malfeasence leveled by the Obamahaters ( except on FOX ). Two weeks, three max.
AZPADDY
You are always predictable as are most of the liberal so-whats on this vine……you will support this administration to the bitter end irregardless of the people’s best interest.....your posts are consistantly pointless to the subject matter…..!!!!
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You are always predictable as are most of the liberal so-whats on this vine
In the words of T-Bone Burnett:
"...Are we supposed to take all this fear and greed and hatred seriously?
It's like watching dust settle; it never changes..."
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Waynester
Are you posting to the seed you intended…….your words do not make any reference to the subject here…..!!!???
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Your statement reminded me of a lyric, that's all.
Allow me to hybridize:
You are always so predictable
It's like watching dust settle, it never changes.
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PCMan
You consider your comments better? LOL!
A government official saying something less than brilliant, and conservatives are all over her like a wet blanket.
Give me something to really bitch about. Like an uneeded war....a plundered economy. Something. Is this the best conservatives can come up with?
If the Bush administration had been minding the store, maybe this terrorist wouldn't have been around to try blowing up an plane in the first place, but hey...that's just my liberal "so what" attitude.
I just enjoy rubbing conservative's faces in their own messes. Get over it, or post better comments.
Darlene,
Great Seed! One day after declaring "the system worked," with regard to the terror attempt on Flight 253, DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano agreed with Matt Lauer's suggestion that the security apparatus "failed miserably" saying that, "the system did not work in this instance." Napolitano said her previous comments had been "taken out of context."
My opinion---SHE NEEDS TO GO!
"http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/12/28/napolitano_corrects_system_did_not_work_in_this_instance.html
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Also just heard that WH aides didn't inform Obama of the failed attempt until approximately 3 hours after the plane landed. They woke him up in the middle of the night to tell him he won the Nobel Peace prize, but waited for 3 hours to inform him about an attempted terrorist attack...and then it took Odumbo 3 days to publicly comment on the attack. What a bunch of F@#$%^* IDIOTS these people are.
Wonder where all the libs are now, that are still whining about Bush for waiting 7 minutes to leave the classroom he was in on 9/11?
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chouchou, thanks for stopping by. Nice to see you.
My opinion---SHE NEEDS TO GO!
I agree. Napolitano stepped in it on Sunday. Tried to step out of it on Monday.
This failed attempt has opened a door I'm sure Obama doesn't want to walk through.
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Andy, stunning isn't it. I thought I must have heard it wrong. 3 hours to inform the President of an attempted terror attack. Even more stunning the time he took to make a public comment. According to Obama we can take comfort in the fact this guy is an "isolated extremist". So, I guess the man with him at the airport insisting Abdulmutallab had to get on "a plane" was just a concerned citizen...
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3 hours to inform the President of an attempted terror attack.
And yet he was notified of the Nobel award immediately. This administration's priorities are all out of wack.
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The idea that the Obama administration was warned in advance is another conservative wet dream.
The head of the U.S. embassy in Nigeria is a Bush appointee from Nov. 11th., 2007. This now makes two GWB appointees that were warned in advance of a terrorist plot to attack the U.S. by passenger jet. Another Bush failure comes back to bite us in the a$$.
Got that PCMan? BB?? I didn't want my comment to seem "pointless" to you.
AZPaddy
Sorry……….No cigar this time……still pointless information…!!! You cannot blame a past administration for the inadequacies of the present…..Now that would be lame and down right irresponsible.. would it not…..????
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AZ
You are the one in a defense mode and we are speaking of the here and now……therefore, nothing changes..!! The subject of the matter is our standing DHS and their uncertain competency to manage the office…..!! The reflection on Obama, as would be with any President is the question of choice..!! Would you not agree…..??
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So....if I stray off your beaten path of blaming Napolitano / president Obama for this failed attack, I'm not on message?
Sorry, but I am on message. Maybe not your message, but within the topic.
Save your exclamation points. I'm not deaf!!
Paddy
You obviously keep your liberal blinders in a snug position……!!! Good luck with that……!!
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Andy 1.77 and Darlene #1.78,
Astonishing-- about the 3 hours. But, I believe it [the Presidency or anything Obama does] has always been about him--- how best to gain more adulation to build his self-proclaimed "legacy". Remember about the "the first Pacific President"? Anything else is regarded as second or lower priority.
- 5 votes
And Bush wasn't told for 6 hours about the shoe bomber. DOUBLE Astonishing--LOL!
What an idiot. The bomb fails to go off and she declares it a victory.
- 19 votes
"I am grateful to the passengers and crew aboard Northwest Flight 253 who reacted quickly and heroically to an incident that could have had tragic results," Napolitano said in a statement Saturday.
She should be grateful...
- 19 votes
Oh, something went off.................the rocket in his pocket is the rest of the story. Somebody smelled some roasted Muslim crotch...........he's still fuming.
- 10 votes
We are left UNPROTECTED by this Administration.
Napolitano: "The system worked" DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano said that the thwarting of the attempt to blow up the Amsterdam-Detroit flight this week demonstrated that "the system worked."
Asked by CNN's Candy Crowley on "State of the Union" how that could be possible when the young Nigerian who sought to set off the bomb was able to smuggle explosive liquid onto the flight, Napolitano responded: "We're asking the same questions."
Napolitano added that there was "no suggestion that [the bomber] was improperly screened."
The only thing that worked was the bomb did not go off, and brave passengers and crew were able to stop it before mass murder took place. The DHS had nothing to do with stopping this and this better change quick.
- 12 votes
Chief901
"We're asking the same questions."
How's that for a confidence booster with the current administration.
The only thing that worked was the bomb did not go off, and brave passengers and crew were able to stop it before mass murder took place. The DHS had nothing to do with stopping this and this better change quick.
Agreed.
- 11 votes
dar63
I understand that President Obama called and gave her a "Solid B+" on her performance.
- 10 votes
Well, using that logic, she'd be up to a solid A-, after stopping this attack! Just like him and health care.
What a joke!
- 10 votes
dar63: Just found this, thought you would enjoy it.
Dateline 1871: Chicago Fire Chief Declares--'The System Worked!'
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2009/12/27/dateline-1871-chicago-fire-chief-declares-system-worked
- 7 votes
OMG! I spit my coke out. Thanks Chief, needed a chuckle ;-) Apt comparison.
- 8 votes
Lets see. Number of Americans killed by airplane borne terrorists during the first year of the Bush Administration = 3000. Number killed in Obama's first year = 0.
- 5 votes
Partly because of safeguards put in place by the Bush administration. Funny how we all forget to mention the attacks during the Clinton administration. Or the fact that 9/11 was probably planned during the Clinton years. There are no siant or sinners here.
How about if we just get rid of the party bull@!$%# and be Americans? Is that so damned impossible?
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I understand that President Obama called and gave her a "Solid B+" on her performance
I'm sorry, I support Obama, but if a B+ is ok with him for the security of this country, I have to say, I will be really surprised. Actually, I think he's sending her a message, if that comment is true, because I think Obama will accept nothing less than an A+. and she should know that.
To me, anything less than an A- for a high ranking Administration Official, is a failing grade. And, although I'm an Obama fan, and at this time, my score for the Prez is an A-. I still have faith that he will do ok, but right now, he needs to wrap his act a little tighter. Replacing Janet N. will go a long way to help along those lines.
- 3 votes
Someone that actually wants to protect the homeland..........US.
- 11 votes
The destruction of a plane plus the damages of the kamikazi in the ground.
The system "did not work", thanks God.
Time to put cameras in the planes' toilets and the heck with the privacy. Loonies are loose..
- 3 votes
Replacing Mrs. Napolitano with whom?
Preferably someone with a military or intelligence background, and not someone whom you'd expect to find working the register at Walgreens
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Replacing Mrs. Napolitano with whom?
Dick Cheney. Problem solved!
- 8 votes
Preferably someone with a military or intelligence background, and not someone whom you'd expect to find working the register at Walgreens
I have to disagree Tango, she looks more like a Wal Mart greeter to me....
- 10 votes
Replacing Mrs. Napolitano with whom?
Preferably someone with a military or intelligence background, and not someone whom you'd expect to find working the register at Walgreens
I have to disagree Tango, she looks more like a Wal Mart greeter to me....
BRUTAL...
Perfectly true and agree on both counts, but ouch!
"the system worked"...what a waste of space!
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I disagree with both you and tango, Andy. To me, she looks like the person who runs the dressing rooms and picks up the hangers - running a cash register is way over her head!
- 8 votes
You all are brutal! Walgreens, Walmart, the dressing room hanger lady, cafeteria lady. Perhaps Janet should take these suggests to heart. She may be out of a job soon.
- 9 votes
You all are brutal! Walgreens, Walmart, the dressing room hanger lady, cafeteria lady.
She wouldn't be qualified for them. You have to be poor and willing to work for slave wages on a part-time basis.
- 9 votes
I hope she's out of a job, just don't send her back here! (AZ)
And just FYI, it's not "Mrs." she's not married, it's MS.
- 5 votes
Here's a few facts on Napolitano, even if she's no hero to the right:
She's the former U.S. Attorney General for AZ., and the former Governor of AZ. She was recognized as one of the better and brighter governors AZ. has had, even being handily re-elected while conservative extremists have controlled the AZ. legislature for decades, and continue to.
I'm no fan of hers since she abandoned the state and left us to bear the incompetence of a right wing governor who with the right wing legislature can't organize a one car funeral.
I'm guessing that when the smoke clears from the volley of knee jerk accusations, her comment will be better understood. Let's say two weeks.
she's not married, it's MS.
I guess that's part of her problem...lol
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AZPADDY
yeah, so what? What she said was stupid - at least you should be able to admit that.
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I've never denied the statement was "stupid". What I've asked is why conservatives are working so hard in trying to make this stupid statement some kind of general judgement on the Obama administration when the head of the previously warned embassy is a Bush appointee?
Obama's been in office for almost a year, why doesn't he have his own appointee at the embassy?
- 5 votes
It's not automatic that appointees are replaced by an incoming administration. It should have been with the new Obama administration.
He may very well appoint his own after the stink conservatives are raising regarding the U.S. embassy being warned about this attacker. After all, this makes two Bush appointees that were warned in advance of a terrorist plot involving airplanes.
What planet is she living on. If the guy had built a better bomb it would have gone off.
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You are correct. Perhaps she should consider thanking the buffoon bomber.
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He just wanted to commit suicide. He was too incompetent to mix the chemicals properly. He was just a misfit looking for recognition and was willing to trade his life for it.
Dude, we know what REAL Al-Qaida operatives can do. Fly multiple large planes into multiple large buildings. You’re insulting those who died in 9-11 just trying to confuse the difference between a psychotic retard and a real Al-Qaida terrorist. And if your goal is to have the DOH arrest every single nut job with a death wish in the world so you are not unconvinced by it, then you’re as silly as this sack of dung.
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He just wanted to commit suicide. He was too incompetent to mix the chemicals properly. He was just a misfit looking for recognition and was willing to trade his life for it.
Really? I haven't read that yet -- do you know him personally or just making assumptions?
- 4 votes
Be very careful with comments about needing to improve the quality of the bomb for it to operate properly. This administration is very likely to begin a remedial device assembly program to help correct such deficiencies - taxpayer funded of course.
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She bankrupted Arizona and now she's destroying our National security and making totally asinine statements along the way. Nice job Mr. Janet!
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If your system of defence requires that the other guy be incompetent, then your banking on luck and nothing else to keep you safe. We need more than just luck.
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Agreed hotlink. Theoretically we have more than luck on our side.
We also have diligent and observant passengers. I hope Napolitano isn't counting on that alone.
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Rockhead #4
"She bankrupted Arizona"?? "She's destroying our National security"??
Only your third accusation has any merit. She did make an asinine comment.
How could any Democratic governor "bankrupt" a state that has been under conservative extremist legislative control for decades?
How, exactly, is she destroying our "National" (sic) security?
Do you have what little guts it takes to answer? Tell me your smarter than your comment, if you can.
AZPADY
maybe instead of labeling people who disagree with this ADM, and veterans, and others as "right wing extremists" who apparently are so dangerous they need a special bulletin sent to local police stations across the country, she should have instead focused on the muslim extremists in our country - like Hasan, and maybe she should have done something about this underwear bomber when his own father contacted the US...just for starters.
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I disagree with right wing extremists across the board, not just right wing extremist veterans. Remember, conservative extremists DO NOT have a monopoly on military service or patriotism in general, despite their posturing. Who was the "special bulletin" referring to?
Here's a "maybe" for you: Maybe this terrorist wouldn't have had the chance to blow up a plane if Bush had gone after Bin Laden instead of fiddling ( and wasting lives ) in Iraq. If GWB was still in the white house, what color of "The amazing technicolor terror code" would we be under today?
Silence..........
Red?
Yellow?
Orange?
Did you ever ask yourself why the Dept. of Homeland security used a public alert in the first place?
When an American citizen was boarding a flight in Israel, he asked an armed security officer why the Israeli government didn't have a similar public warning system. The officer replied with a grin: "Why would tell our enemies what are strategy is?"
Maybe this terrorist wouldn't have had the chance to blow up a plane if Bush had gone after Bin Laden instead of fiddling ( and wasting lives ) in Iraq.
or maybe if Bin Laden was killed in the 90's he wouldn't have done it in the first place...
or maybe if Reagan previously hadn't stopped Iran from taking over Iraq we wouldn't have had to deal with that issue (but would be dealing with a much bigger one)...
or maybe if we hadn't gone to the middle east for oil and decided instead to be self-sufficient and discover a better way...
or maybe if...
you can do this all day.
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Did you ever ask yourself why the Dept. of Homeland security used a public alert in the first place?
Simple. To instill a sense of vigilance on the part of the citizenry as well as law enforcement and security personnel. I thought everyone knew that.
- 6 votes
And I've got some land in Az. that will soon be beachfront property that I'll sell cheap!
Who was the guy that let slip - publicly - that he was pressured to use the color coded alert system to enhance the chances for Republican political victory? I'll Google it later, but you remember him, right? He later set a land speed record backpeddling as fast as possible, to keep in good graces with the G.O.P.
What do you think the color should be now?
Shawn
Maybe. But isn't maybe what this article is all about? Maybe this bomber would have been stopped before getting on board if.........maybe maybe maybe.
The system didn't work, and luckily, neither did the bomb. The world will be more vigilant from now on. End of story. Maybe.
Who was the guy that let slip - publicly - that he was pressured to use the color coded alert system to enhance the chances for Republican political victory?
Actually he didn't say that but simply wondered aloud about it in his book. He has since clarified his position:
Ridge says he did not mean to suggest he was pressured to raise the threat level, and he is not accusing anyone of trying to boost Bush in the polls. "I was never pressured," Ridge said.
You have shown yourself not to be an honest commenter. Thanks for letting us all see that and to judge your commentary accordingly.
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Who isn't honest Waynester?
Tom Ridge writes a book saying he was pressured by Bush administration officials to ramp up the warnings during the 04' election and you accuse me of lying? As if I'd made the whole thing up?
My comment is a simple statement of fact, verified by your own comment. He "wondered aloud" - in a published book! LOLOLOL!!! What...he didn't mean to publish his wondering aloud??
C'mon Waynester, what color should the terror alert be??
Who isn't honest Waynester?
The point was you didn't tell the whole story and you spun the part that helps your partisan agenda That's dishonest.
C'mon Waynester, what color should the terror alert be??
Whatever the professionals think it should be, assuming the Obama administration hasn't run the most competent ones out of the government service.
And if the system is so lacking why hasn't the One changed it?
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Oh, I don't know......because it was used for political purposes? Just like Tom Ridge said it was? Because it's not needed is the obvious reason.
Oh I told the whole story. It just doesn't take long to tell it. The Bush administration used the color coded terror alerts to divert attention and sell fear for political purposes. Tom Ridge resigned his position as Sec. of Homeland Security because he wouldn't and couldn't be a part of that, wrote a book about it, then tried desperately to deny he said what he said. Period.
I'm just being facetious when I ask what color the terror alert should be. Pick any color. It doesn't really matter because we've been under red conditions since 9/11. President Obama - or as you refer to our president - "the One" - thankfully hasn't insulted our intelligence by trying to use fear to garner support.
There was a very famous Democrat who once told a nation "We have nothing to fear but fear itself". That nation was in very similar circumstances do to very similar reasons. He was selling confidence not fear. President Obama refuses to use scare tactics as well.
Tom Ridge resigned his position as Sec. of Homeland Security because he wouldn't and couldn't be a part of that,
Stop lying. That's not what he said and you know it.
Why are liberals always such @!$%#s?
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OK........tell me why you believe Ridge resigned. To write a book? LOL!
FYI you've just been added to the old ignore list so don't waste your time.
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Suit yourself, but here, and I quote, is what Tom Ridge had said in his book: "It was after this incident that I knew I must resign". The "incident" he was referring to was the pressure he recieved from Ashcroft and Rumsfeld to raise the terror alert ( 4 days after the Democratic National Convention ) based on 3 to 4 year old intelligence information.
It's too bad some folks refuse to debate the facts, and choose instead to "cover their ears", use vulgarity as reason, and dismiss those who disagree.
I am surprised that she did not fall out of her chair from getting dizzy spinning this.
Just how did the system work. It certainly had nothing to do with the government. It was entirely individuals. It seems that the government was 100% at fault in letting this guy fly. They know that he had terrorist links and still did not make it onto the no fly list. Amazing.
This government just gets more incompent daily.
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I am surprised that she did not fall out of her chair from getting dizzy spinning this.
She is part of the Obama administration....practiced at the art of spinning.
"The System Worked"
Takes balls to make that statement. You are quite right, individuals brought this man down, not the system we are told to rely on.
But have no fear, somewhere between the 9th and 18th hole President Obama ordered a Travel Security review.
I feel better.
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They know that he had terrorist links and still did not make it onto the no fly list. Amazing.
Sounds like they haven't fixed that complicity problem the government has had since 9/11.
- 4 votes
The inevitable visit from the it's "Bush's fault" crowd.
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She does remind me of The guy, Bagdad Bob during the initial invasion telling everyone that things are just fine and we are winning. Of course he was only giving the official spin also. Clueless.
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No. This was not Bush's fault. It was not Obama's fault. It was the fault of the terrorists and the Dutch and Nigerian security forces that failed to detect his explosives. He was not on the no-fly list because he did not meet the criteria put in place after 9/11 to be barred from flight into the U.S.
- 3 votes
Let me understand this. His father went to the US Embassy and told them that he thought that his son was a terror risk and that don't qualify him to be on the no fly list. Just exactly what does it take?
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hww -
Just exactly what does it take?
Apparently a father's warning isn't reason enough. Personally, I would have thought it was warning enough to revoke a Visa.
Napolitano said the suspect, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, was on a broad security watch list that contains "half a million" names and is shared with airlines and foreign security agencies. However, a lack of specific evidence prevented him from being classified as a greater security risk that would bar him from travel to the United States, she said."You need information that is specific and credible if you're going to bar people from air travel," Napolitano said.
I suspect his father was specific and credible.
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Maybe he should have been wearing his underwear out the outside of his pants..........then the system might have worked.................LOL
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VIVA --
Wearing our underwear outside of our pants will be on the next set of TSA guidelines. Please stop giving them ideas --- LOL
- 6 votes
What it takes is confirmation from another source or specific information he was flying to the U.S. (the 'derogatory' information referred to). Otherwise, I could simply call up and say you were a threat and keep you off of planes.
I think Napalitano's "the system worked" comment was stupid, but let's deal with the facts. He came in through Nigeria and the Netherlands, both sovereign nations (I know rightees struggle with that concept). However, we (the U.S.) did not screen and board him. So, if we really want to prevent crappy screening we should suspend flights from there until they get their act together.
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Well, if we are going to defend against any loony from doing something, give the money to us.
A fire extinguisher in every seat.
And not the private parts of the passengers have to be screened.
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Just exactly what does it take?
Gotta be Caucasian American.
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Apparently, it takes a non-Bush appointee to be in positions of responsibility. The head of the Nigerian embassy was appointed by GWB in Nov., 07'. This makes two Bush appointees that were warned - in advance - of a terrorist plot against the U.S.
Ambassadors serve at the fancy of the President.
If BHO/HRC kept him, direct your complaints to them.
- 6 votes
I have no complaints with them.
I was curious as to why conservatives were using the idea that the U.S. embassy was warned in advance as a vehicle to lay some kind of blame for this on the Obama administration when the embassy head is a Bush appointee. I then pointed out to the pointers that this makes two Bush appointees that have been warned in advance of a terrorist attack, but remained silent.
If the embassy effed up, direct your complaints to GWB/CR. They appointed her. It's just possible that GWB appointed a sleeper cell terrorist member as the head of the U.S. embassy in Nigeria, but I wouldn't want to point any fingers.....
If the embassy effed up, direct your complaints to GWB/CR. They appointed her. It's just possible that GWB appointed a sleeper cell terrorist member as the head of the U.S. embassy in Nigeria, but I wouldn't want to point any fingers.....
Obama and his State Department assumed responsibility for every US embassy and the embassy personnel on January 20, 2009, if he or Clinton didn't think they were qualified, they had more than ample time to replace them and install their own people...the information that was given by the terrorist father and ignored is Obama's and his administration's problem...and no one else.
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I was curious as to why conservatives were using the idea that the U.S. embassy was warned in advance as a vehicle to lay some kind of blame for this on the Obama administration when the embassy head is a Bush appointee.
So when you're at a restaurant and the cook poisons the food, you're OK with the manager saying, "don't worry folks, the previous manager hired them, not me", or when you're at work and someone commits a heinous crime, you're good with their manager saying, "thank heaven's I didn't hire them even though I'm in charge of them...".
So when your teacher beats or molests a child, it's OK that the principle brushes it off with, "previous administration hired them, not me - have a good day".
Interesting...and interesting idea of leadership in action.
Not blaming Obama for the event, but to blame Bush because someone that he hired that is working for the new "manager" did something wrong...wow.
- 6 votes
Oh, so....your reasoning can be applied to the last administration too, right? I mean, the information given to the incoming GWB administration by the outgoing Clinton admimistration concerning Bin Laden and the information given to Condoleeza Rice - in writing - warning of a terrorist attack using planes was the responsiblity of the GWB administration "and no one else", correct?
I'd agree with that. After all, applying logic across the board is only fair.
Shawn. You've missed my point. My point is that attacking president Obama/Napolitano for this failed attempt while simultaneously denying GWB/Rice was responsible for ignoring 9/11 is hypocritical of conservative extremists.
BTW....restaurant / poison food?.....teachers / molestation?.......work / heinous crime....? wow. WTF??
My point is that attacking president Obama/Napolitano for this failed attempt while simultaneously denying GWB/Rice was responsible for ignoring 9/11 is hypocritical of conservative extremists.
Oh trust me AZ, I push a certain degree of blame for 9/11 to Bush as well for not heeding warnings as he was C.I.C. at the time, just as I blame the Obama administration for it's current shortcomings.
I blame Napolitano for making such an asinine statement in a quick attempt to pull a "nothing to see here, everything's fine people" moment. She should have simply said, "we're investigating to see what happened" (and left it at that). To parallel, it was about as pathetic as crying out "Mission Accomplished".
There are some things that you can look to a previous administration for but for a great many (that people would like to dismiss regularly) where you have to look to see who's boss today.
(restaurant / poison food?.....teachers / molestation?.......work / heinous crime....? wow. WTF?)
I learned a long time ago that for some people to get the point, you have to take it to a perspective that people can relate to. Most people can relate to dining school and work examples moreso that government officiating and the like.
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Yes, Napolitano's statement was plain stupid. In Az. she had a reputation as an intellectually superior governor, and this makes her statement even more bizarre.
If that same statement had come from Sec. of Homeland director Sarah Palin, we wouldn't be so surprised. Of course that's another topic for another day...LOL!
Sorry for the "WTF", but I'm used to a more combative response from the right on Newsvine.
Yeah, we really want this genius bunch in charge.
Thank God they only persecute American Ex-military, The Middleclass, and Christians and allow rich Middle Eastern Terrorist a free pass.
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Thank God they only persecute American Ex-military, The Middleclass, and Christians and allow rich Middle Eastern Terrorist a free pass.
You summed the situation up very well.
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sean-4,
Ferrari5k must have struck a nerve. Out came the name calling and race card.
- 11 votes
Thank God they only persecute American Ex-military, The Middleclass, and Christians and allow rich Middle Eastern Terrorist a free pass.
See --- the system worked.
- 4 votes
sean-4
You didn't refer to anyone in particular or anyone on this thread, You simply acknowledged that someone else here summed up the views of some members of a well known political group.
And you get censured for that. From people who like to claim they stand for "Freedom".
LOLOLOL!!!! If this were a library, we'd be warming our hands with burning books.
This administration is so desperate to claim a victory that it would cause them to make such a dumbass statement like that. They are so desperate for a victory that they would pass a health care bill forcing Americans to buy health insurance from the very private companies that they blame the "crisis" on. No the system didnt work. They are lucky that the bomb didnt work either.
- 9 votes
This administration is so desperate to claim a victory that it would cause them to make such a dumbass statement like that.
And amazingly, with a straight face.
- 10 votes
I remember an administration so desperate to claim victory, that the head of that administration used the word "victory" as many times as possible in every public setting he could, and even strode across the deck of an American aircraft carrier and claimed "Mission accomplished".
Now THAT was a dumbass statement from a dumbass president, and amazingly, with a smirk on his face.
Craig19
"They are lucky that the bomb didn't work either". HHmmmmm....I thought the passengers and crew were the lucky ones. Are you saying that The administration would have been "unlucky" if the bomb worked?
How exactly did the "system" work? What worked was one brave, smart guy who jumped on the terrorist.
We need to be a little smarter ourselves. A guy whose name is in a counterterrorism database was flying with a one-way ticket, having booked a seat directly over the plane's fuel tank. And nobody even checked him out to see if he showed any of the telltale signs of stress and nervousness.
In response to the attempted bombing, the feds are requiring passengers to stay in their seat for the last hour of the flight.
Had that rule already been in effect, it just would have prompted the bomber to set off the explosives earlier, when the plane was high over the Atlantic and the passengers were not yet rousing themselves in preparation for landing.
Who knows? The hero might have been dozing.
As it was, he became the man who saved Christmas.
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DBE928 - We can only hope the good guys continue to out number the bad guys.
- 10 votes
Had that rule already been in effect, it just would have prompted the bomber to set off the explosives earlier, when the plane was high over the Atlantic and the passengers were not yet rousing themselves in preparation for landing.
That higher altitude means a greater pressure differential between the cabin and the atmosphere. What that means is the force pushing outward from inside the aircraft are greater at altitude than at sea level.
I am still trying to figure out what they hope to accomplish or prevent by confining the passengers to their seats one hour prior... this does nothing to alter the behavior of a terrorist except he'll take a piss sooner in flight... am I missing something?
- 5 votes
That higher altitude means a greater pressure differential between the cabin and the atmosphere. What that means is the force pushing outward from inside the aircraft are greater at altitude than at sea level.
Comforting fact.
I am still trying to figure out what they hope to accomplish or prevent by confining the passengers to their seats one hour prior...
I think the powers that be were in panic mode. Instituting a new rule, no matter how ludicrious, was a way of saying "Hey, we're not it, not to worry".
this does nothing to alter the behavior of a terrorist except he'll take a piss sooner in flight...
Don't tell them that, they'll make us stay in our seats forever.
am I missing something?
Nope, they are.
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I swear to christ, politicans; what can you say.
If by worked you mean FAILED then yes. Got onto a plan with explosives even after his dad reported him.
- 4 votes
This woman or what ever is a joke. Obama must of had to settle a big debt to be induced to bring her on board. What happened to border security since this PC twit came on board.
- 7 votes
She would not secure the border in Arizona while she was there, why would we expect her to do better while in charge of the security of the nation?
- 5 votes
really sean and what does that have to do with this seed? Oh yeah, nothing...moving on
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Sean;
I recommend not posting it demonstrates your lack of intelligence and suggests your too ...ummm what's the saying? " cerebrally challenged" to be anything but a liberal.
- 4 votes
The joke is the unused gray matter that takes up the space between your ears.
Cut it out, sean-4. You're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
your too ...ummm what's the saying? " cerebrally challenged" to be anything but a liberal.
Stop doing this, Dog_Blue. You're suspended for a day for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
If you see something disrespectful or inappropriate, report it - rather than further inflaming the situation.
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Is she saying the plan calls for terrorists to gain acces to the aircraft with explosives and set them off (luckily they were duds...or the terrorist was too stupid to do it correctly) on the plane and then the passengers subdue the terrorist....this is what we plan for? If that is the case can we maybe alter the plan to preventing the terrorist from actually getting on the plan next time? I think that might be a slightly better plan with less risks...
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Repoman-1208817 - That is exactly what she said. As I said, ass backwards.
If that is the case can we maybe alter the plan to preventing the terrorist from actually getting on the plan next time? I think that might be a slightly better plan with less risks...
There you go, making sense again ;-)
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Damnit! I hate it when the "bad guys" have a better plan than we do!
- 5 votes
Don't we all Repoman. I much prefer it when we get the thwarted the bad guys.
- 5 votes
Let's not forget, that the next day, the same flight number, another Nigerian made it onto the flight as well. He has been arrested.
Yeah, the system worked alright, Al Qaida's system, not ours.
This is bullsh!t
- 6 votes
Mike.........sounds like the nut got scared and stalled in the bathroom.
- 4 votes
mike lonkouski - Your right. It is.
Try, Try Again | AP source: 2nd man arrested on jet in Detroit
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Maybe, or else he had second thoughts about a half-ass bomb stuffed down his trousers, especially since the guy from the day before suffered third degree burns in that same area. That's a bad place for a failed bomb.
If I am going to stuff a bomb in my underwear, it better damn well blow me up completely. I don't want to go to heaven as a eunuch, that won't please my 72 virgins.
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I don't want to go to heaven as a eunuch, that won't please my 72 virgins
Heck Mike, you had to go and make me laugh....
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damn.............I didn't know that's how you spell eunuch. Thanks, Mike!!!! smile
- 3 votes
Hey, I'm sorry, but when some Imam told me that god wanted me to stuff a bomb down my pants, I'd have laughed in his face, and renounced my religion. If god wants me to blow my pecker off, he can pack sand.
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Mike, you're so snarky..........and make your point too!!!!!!! Homey don't play.
- 5 votes
Yeah I don't get that either...I'd be like..."what about Achmed? Can't Allah want him to do it instead? No one really likes him anyway"...
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I remember people saying the same thing about Vietnamese Monks that were setting themselves on fire in the 60's. Something about Bar-B-Q?? All funny hilarious comments, I'm sure.
There were also the rebels in Cuba in the late 50's that were willing to blow themselves up as long as they could take a few Cuban government soldiers with them.
People willing to blow themselves up, or set themselves on fire?? Could we be missing something here? What's that old saying about history repeating itself......
The system worked so well that it took a passenger to thwart the attempt. We want this government to run our health care when we can't even control our national security.
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We want this government to run our health care
Patients, passengers. Same theory. Perhaps the guy sitting next to you at the doctor's office could perform your appendectomy.
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It may come to that when we put millions into a system where Doctors won't have time to see all of them.
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I've been tactfully holding-off on this comparison, but yeah, no doubt!
Or, as I like to say," if you like the military industrial complex, you're going to love nationalized health care".
Wait until that $80 hammer is your pace-maker.
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I've been tactfully holding-off on this comparison, but yeah, no doubt!
I going to go out on a limb and take that as a compliment.
Wait until that $80 hammer is your pace-maker.
Amazingly, there are those looking forward to that.
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Brandon, it is people like you who keep people like her employed.
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Don't be so hard on her, she got it half right. She knew we had a "man made disaster", she just didn't figure out the man made disaster is the Obama Administration.
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Not that I know of but I'm so tired of seeing his mug on the television I was actually relieved. lol
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Has Barry made a comment??????
It would get in the way of more important things like Barry playing golf.
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Well..........what about the teleprompter, has it made a comment??? smile
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I think it took a vacation from Obama. Probably tired of his lip-syncing.
:D
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Has Barry made a comment??????
Yes, he said the surf is b*tchin' and the lobster sho is fine.
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I hear "shark feeding" was on his itinerary. Oh wait, that's when he goes back to visit congress and the senate.
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Has Barry made a comment
umm, not yet, he's busy getting together his "shout out" list compiled first.
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umm, not yet, he's busy getting together his "shout out" list compiled first.
Great point vol fan, the "shout out" could become a tradition for Obama, when commenting about terrorists attacks on his watch.
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most excellent dude................surf's up!!!!!!!!!!!
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HONOLULU, Hawaii — The White House warned political foes Sunday not to provoke a partisan tug of war over terrorism, with President Barack Obama yet to publicly address the thwarted attack on a US airliner.
A political storm erupted over the attempt by a 23-year-old Nigerian to bring down a Northwest jet carrying 290 people, as senior Obama aides cranked up a sweeping national and homeland security operation.
But the president, vacationing in Hawaii, conspicuously has not commented on television about the Christmas Day drama, apparently seeking to project calm and avoid the political trauma and panic unleashed by past terror incidents.
So you see, Obama is just thinking of us. Keeping quiet will ensure calm and the reduce trauma and panic of this terror incident.
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Had to post this again dar...hope you don't mind.
Just one example of Obama's "non partisan" comments concerning terrorism before he became the President.
"The record shows that George Bush and John McCain have been weak on terrorism," Obama told reporters. "Their approach has failed. Because of their policies, we are less safe, less respected and less able to lead the world."
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Hmm, Obama gives a shout out before addressing the horrific situation of a Muslim extremist who killed thirteen soldiers and wounded 40 more, then a Muslim extremist nearly kills 200+ passengers on a plane in the United States and he thinks we need silence --- strange time to be silent...is there not a pattern here?
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is there not a pattern here?
Yeah, STFU & STFD whenever the President says so....
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She is just as delusional as Pelosi, and Boxer. The system did not work. We were very lucky the idiot didn't know how to make a bomb correctly. The 2 people who attacked and subdued the terrorist were the real hero's.
Just more amunition for their $100,000 each body x-ray and sniffer.
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Let the crotch sniffin' begin.............I think I'll start driving again.
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Naplolitano was just being the big cat in a litter box trying to cover up her feces...kindest way I could put it...Trying to make light of a bad situation is how it really came off to me...just cover up with words.
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WTF?! No, a single passenger did the job of the system! We're defending ourselves in skies over American because we cant rely on the govt! I can see that and I'm a liberal!!!
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Thank God, Jasper was there...........maybe he can have Nap's job.
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...Hooray!
The crew and passengers of Northwest Flight 253 are all heroes.
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vol fan in chatt, tn - Good thing you found that before the acronym police did :-)
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Napolitano
Shut up you stupid bitch! Not only did the system fail, but not one element of the system worked.
I'd fire her just for this one stupid quote. She is a f__king idiot. I knew she was worthless when I saw her on Colbert, she doesn't respect her position enough to realize that being on Colbert is no way to represent the office.
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not one element of the system worked
Not even the checks and balances on the checks and balances. Sad commentary all around.
...she doesn't respect her position enough to realize that being on Colbert is no way to represent the office
I agree Mike. I cringe when I see high ranking officials avail themselves to shows such as Colbert.
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now instead of a comedy show..........how about Billy O getting a crack at them? he would tear them a new one.............they need it, full of it.............idiots.
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I wonder if Napolitano ever considered labeling herself as the first "man-made disaster?"
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Napolitano forgot that she no longer is a politician and gave a nonsensical response. However, the seeds of this particular near-disaster pre-date the current administration. Clues were ignored by the State Department and likely by the relevant intelligence agencies. The war on terrorism begins and ends with intelligence, not with airport check-points. The necessary coordination and communication protocols should have been established years ago.
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However, the seeds of this particular near-disaster pre-date the current administration.
And the previous one.
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mindless zombies, marching, chanting..........Bush fault, Bush fault, Bush fault
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Are you suggesting he did nothing in 8 years that we are still contending with?
If so, one word: TARP.
I have a longer list of words, including TSA (which still fights the last "war", doesn''t look ahead).
Granted it hasn't gotten a whole lot better yet, but Bush doesn't get an automatic pass on the deep holes he and Cheney dug. It's hard to walk off in the promised direction when you have to restore the patient's pulse and get him ambulatory, first. --- But, perhaps that was what was intended with the October 2004 Surprise (you know, back when 'the economy is [was] strong'?
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It worked for who? The terrorists? If a private citizen had not gotten involved there would have been a great tragedy. He was on the list of known terrorists, yet he was allowed to enter the plane, what worked, the terrorists right to carry out his experiment in hopes it would kill and maim?Why doesn't Barack Hussein step in and say, no to the terrorists, instead of allowing them to go to the bahamas on tax payers money and etc? If private citizens didn't interfere with "some one's plans we would be in big trouble, Barack works to loosen restrictions while the terrorists play their games.
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However, the seeds of this particular near-disaster pre-date the current administration. Clues were ignored by the State Department and likely by the relevant intelligence agencies.
The clues were ignored by Obama's State and Homeland security departments, not Bush...Abdulmutallab father called our Embassy on Obama's watch, not Bush, he was issued a visa to enter the country on Obama's watch, not Bush...get you're fact's straight.
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It's the same old mantra. Everything bad--blame Bush. Everything good--give credit to Obama. Maybe Obama can't accept responsibility because he is irresponsible.
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It's the same old stupidity.... Americans letting themselves be polarized by talking head media clowns who make a fortune keeping us angry at each other. Meanwhile, back in the real world, corporate money is buying off our elected officials and eliminating us from the democratic process.
If we keep letting idiots like Glen Beck and Michael Moore dangle carrots in front of our ADD faces, we are doomed.
Divide and conquer. Wake up America.
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Chas-1438802 -
Americans letting themselves be polarized by talking head media clowns who make a fortune keeping us angry at each other
Honestly Chas, I believe way to much credit is given to the "talking heads" on both sides. I would like to believe we are all still capable of forming thoughts and opinions on our own.
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I would like to believe we are all still capable of forming thoughts and opinions on our own.
Yes I'm sure you do. I'm sure most people can't admit they are polarized by the entertainment business called the media. That would make them lemmings.
I would think that intelligent, free thinking individuals would see that we have been eliminated from the democratic process and the childish bickering that the media promotes to get ratings is NOT getting anything accomplished.
Delusion. The new American state of mind.
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Off my twitter feed. An interesting read.
The Ball-Burning Bomb in Boxers and Stupid Homeland Security Tricks
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I've discovered that on another thread. Someone has proposed a label for this guy:
The Testicle Bomber
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Fire Crotch..........remember Lohan's friend coin that, but hey recycle it.
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Seems that Mrs. Napolitano looks younger.
Is the use of Botox or plastic surgery?
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Actually I read he got the Visa over a year ago on Bush's watch but don't let that effect your hate. His father did warn the embassy and he was put on the watch list and should have been stopped at the airport. The airline officials missed this. And we need to find out why with all the security at the airports now he was missed. Was it just because it was christmas day and the one person he passed didn't want to be working?
Then again from interviews I haves seen said there are ways to hide these exposives, at least that is what I saw on FOX and the fact that it was not mixed together until after he boarded could also have been a factor.
Again, if you read the who ariticle your would have understood what was ment by the statement.
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Actually I read he got the Visa over a year ago on Bush's watch but don't let that effect your hate. His father did warn the embassy and he was put on the watch list and should have been stopped at the airport.
That's correct and it should have been revoked on Obama's watch when his father alerted our Embassy of his son's radical Islamic beliefs...weak excuse for this administrations incompetence.
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He did not board that plane on Bush's watch, he did it on Barry's watch. This is all on the anointed one's head, for it is his administration.
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If nobody gets killed, that usually means a successful response in the Public Safety business. It is impossible to plan for every contingency. They tried that once, it was called the Titanic, and we all know how that turned out.
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What if was another "sleeper" in the flight?
How much is the responsibility now of the passengers?
Guidelines are needed ASAP.
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Diane-905045 -
Actually I read he got the Visa over a year ago on Bush's watch
Actually Diane, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab's father, Alhaji Umaru Mutallab, approached US and Nigerian authorities to warn them about his son's views six months.
but don't let that effect your hate
Don't let this minuscule fact effect yours.
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UPDATE:
Bomb suspect Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab on UK watch list
Excerpt from the BBC article:
A man charged with trying to blow up a plane had been on a UK watch list, Home Secretary Alan Johnson has said.
He said Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, 23, was refused a visa 14 months ago and was placed on a security list after he applied to study at a bogus college.
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and then get on board without a passport...........yeah, that makes sense
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Yep. His father indeed warned the U.S. embassy in Nigeria. The embassy headed by a GWB appointee. I think that GWB may have appointed a "sleeper "to run that agency, with the idea of attempting a bombing AFTER the Democrats gained the white house.
This is a theory only, of course, but I've used same line of reasoning and logic that Orly Taitz, Glenn Beck, Michelle Malkin and the other professional Obamabashers use to question the presidents place of birth, patriotism, religion and responsibility for this failed airline bombing.
How could GWB get away with this? Could Cheney's latest "Wack-a-Mole" press release be related??
The embassy headed by a GWB appointee.
And serves at the pleasure of the Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and President Obama.., they have had almost a year to put in their own ambassador if they choose to...they didn't.
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And serves at the pleasure of....bleh bleh bleh.....
I was asking if anyone here thinks the GWB appointee could be a "sleeper" terrorist, that waited till now to attempt this attack? Do you think Cheney's latest press release is related?
I was asking if anyone here thinks the GWB appointee could be a "sleeper" terrorist, that waited till now to attempt this attack?
No.
Do you think Cheney's latest press release is related?
No.
Your sounding more desperate with each post.
Agreed.
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Asking questions is not an act of desperation. Resorting to dismissive one word non-responses due to having no alternative, is.
OK, more that one word here goes...
Considering that the members of the "I Hate George W Bush Club" have, amongst the many insults laid upon him, consider him to be an idiot. The premise that a previously appointed Ambassador (2 years ago) is actually a "sleeper terrorist" is not the act of an idiot but of an evil genius able to think beyond his next trip to the potty room.
So which is it, is "W" the idiot of all idiots (A), which would make him incabable of planning such an evil plot. Or a genius (B) and you, as well as others would be wrong about the man. A one letter response will suffice.
The Cheney thingy... The first premise - George W - is ridiculous so the premise that it is related is a false premise. On a side note, I though the Bush haters believe Cheney was the brains behind the Bush. But if you answer - B, then yes they are related, let the conspiracy theory's begin and my man "W" is a genius.
Your sounding more desperate with each post.
The previous post is perfect as is and is clear in its intent to convey a message. As previously stated - Agreed!
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